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Princes of Dol Amroth

 February, 25 2006

Questions about the life and times of Imrahil and his family can be asked here, including questions about Ultimatums, Kin-Strife and the shorter stories. Discussions about Brand can go either here or in the Best-Loved Son thread, since his stories sort of overlap both cycles.

Would things have gone so badly if Faramir had been a girl, I wonder?
Now that would be an interesting AU! Thinking on what you said about the family's changing dynamics and the Stockholm Syndrome does help me understand Finduilas' position a little better.

Rebecca, you make very good points about the differences between Finduilas and Hethlin. I had not thought that part through very well, but after reading your comments I agree with you. It is not at all fair to compare them, as the dangers and abuse they underwent were very different. Being forced to fight evil and despair indirectly is psychologically much more difficult than being able to take action, as you pointed out. And I think that your analysis of Eowyn and Faramir's connection is spot on, too. The only thing I disagree with (and of course there has to be something!) is that I think Hethlin did match Eowyn's bravery by not only confronting the Witch King but refusing him, even when she was terrified and knew her life was forfeit in doing so. And I can't help but see a difference too, in that Eowyn's courageous actions took place when she was, in a sense, seeking suicide herself - albeit in a more active fashion than Finduilas. I'm not sure how things would have turned out for any of them if their places had been switched. (Although I have a pretty high opinion of Hethlin, and I'd better not speculate on it with my strong bias!)

On the book thing, even though I agree there are no real parallels between Finduilas and Hethlin, I don't think Imrahil would have the negative reaction you mentioned. He seems so reconciled to her feelings for Faramir - it certainly doesn't stop him from proposing to her! I think Imrahil's sense of self is so strong that he figures that when Hethlin gets over Faramir - and if she falls for him - that he could easily maintain her love, and not worry much over her one-time romantic love of Faramir. For example, if he and Hethlin do end up as a couple I don't really picture him being concerned that Hethlin considers him "second best," and that he would expect her and Faramir to stay good friends and continue to love each other as such. Imrahil believes himself very lovable, IMHO! Because of this, I actually see him being... reassured or comforted in a way, I guess, that part of his family - and therefore a part of himself - is with Hethlin. But I'm putting way too much importance on a mere children's Elvish book!!

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