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Princes of Dol Amroth

 February, 25 2006

Questions about the life and times of Imrahil and his family can be asked here, including questions about Ultimatums, Kin-Strife and the shorter stories. Discussions about Brand can go either here or in the Best-Loved Son thread, since his stories sort of overlap both cycles.

Imhiriel asked:

Is there some symbolical reason for chosing this particular fairy-tale for Brand to tell, especially considering the detail it takes up in the narrative? I roughly know the original story, although I think it's far better known in the US than here in Germany, but I can't see a connection between the adventure in the fairy-tale and the children's tribulations.

Part of it is because I came across a book of Jack-tales a while back at work, and read up just a little bit about him. But no, there isn't any particular symbolism as regards the story-other than that I figured that a tale about a resourceful folk-hero would go well, and be something that someone with Brand's commoner background would know. I'll admit the story was a big digression, but Brand wanted to tell it, so I let him. It did provide an opportunity to get to know the other children a bit better. His delivery was much more polished than I had expected-got a bit of Grandy in him, I do think!

How old are the other children? I never could determine it.

I actually did mention that Tullus was ten, but I didn't say anything specific about the others. I'll have to go back and do something about that. Celeg is seven and Eiliriel five.

I don't quite understand the point Brand makes here. If he is thinking about suicide, surely for this he doesn't have to be Númenórean? Or does he make a distinction (morally, ethically, perhaps?)?

He is thinking about the legend where those of Numenorean blood can voluntarily give up their lives-will themselves to die. Like Aragorn does eventually.

My suspicion about what Glorfindel might have said is along the lines of that all beliefs and cultures end up together in the end in the hand of the One. So that it doesn't matter that Boromir believes in the Valar and Andrahar does in the Sacred Fire and that the afterlife for each belief is thought to be separate. Am I close *g*?

Pretty much. Glorfy's got more first-hand experience with such things than most beings.

"Perhaps one day in the future the whole truth of the man may be known."
Any plans to expand on that? Not that you need any more nuzgûls as it is...

No, and NO! *g*

Loved the reminder of Imri's morning-grumpiness. And darn, try as I might, I can't read anything from Heth's and his behaviour towards each other. It's just as friendly as ever, no clue as to what might have happened - or not happened - in the intervening 2 (?) years since Silver Swan. Is it only the hiatus during her training?

She's pretty much finished her training at this point and is getting ready to test out-ergo Imrahil's comments. As to what is between them, he did come back to Dol Amroth sooner than he had expected and has travelled back and forth to Minas Tirith several times. Their relationship hasn't progressed much from what it was during the Lorien trip-he's been trying to keep his distance. Nonetheless, she has known him long enough now to be much more comfortable in his presence. Unless, of course, she's dealing with Almost Nekkid Imrahil.

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