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November, 12 2005
OK, folks-this is the general forum now for questions that don't seem to fit in any of the other threads. I'm going to sort some of the earlier posts into the appropriate forums, but it might take a while, so bear with me. I'll delete the ones that have already been reposted by their authors.
Rebecca wrote: So about chapter 3: it is interesting that Elrohir apparently had no qualms (until he was caught) about poking around in other people's heads. I went back to CMC, to the chapter (I think it was 50) where he tells Hethlin that he had, "been endeavoring not to be so high-handed where you are concerned." We see now that he didn't extend that courtesy to Imrahil, and we see that this could land him in hot water with Elrond, Celeborn and Galadriel were it discovered. He obviously knew how wrong it was for him to trespass like that, and while mischievous and even willful, Elrohir also seems to be pretty honorable (thinking back to how hurt he was to have been forced to give his word twice about going West), so he must have reasons going beyond mere curiosity for doing what he did.
Unfortunately, I think it was mostly curiosity about Imrahil's current state of mind now that Heth has turned him down. Elrohir wants to know if Heth is going to come north or stay at Dol Amroth, and he's wondering if Imrahil is going to make another move.
I'll assume that Elladan, if he knew about what Elrohir was doing, expressed his disapproval privately so that Hethlin wouldn't be in a position to report it in her narrative.
Undoubtedly he was private about it. But I do have to wonder if it was chastisement for doing the snooping, or chastisement for GETTING CAUGHT doing the snooping...
Anyway, I suppose my question really is something that will be answered in future chapters, but I feel compelled to ask it now: how is Elrohir going to make amends with Imrahil? After he learned of I.'s proposal to H., he spoke respectfully of I. more than once while discussing things with Hethlin. Which makes this offense all the more curious. I know in Dol Amroth Yule, Elrohir is welcomed into the castle, and carries a letter from Imrahil, so the rift must have been mended. It will be very interesting to see how.
Imrahil is a reasonable individual. I don't know that Elrohir will necessarily have to DO anything. He just needs to refrain from snooping.
Another, related question: what difference does it make to Elrohir that Imrahil is a mortal who has been taught to shield rather than one with natural abilities? He seemed so taken aback by that bit of info that it must be very unusual, or perhaps makes some kind of difference as to the gravity of his offense?
Galadriel is so cavalier about poking about in peoples' heads that I decided perhaps it wasn't considered a bad thing if the person involved wasn't aware of it. How can they protest their privacy being violated if they don't know it happened? If Imrahil simply had natural shields, he still wouldn't have necessarily been aware of the intrusion, he would simply have been very hard to read, which is what Elrohir thought the situation was. When the Prince reveals he's had training in his mind abilities and knows exactly what happened, that's a different kettle of fish.
And yes, I don't think he was expecting a mortal to be trained, or at least a mortal who was not a Northern Dunedan. Which only proves that being 3000 years old doesn't keep you from being obtuse every so often.
You make me very curious about what goes on in the head of that elf! It would be great to have an out-take chapter like the conversation you did between Imrahil and Faramir, or something like that, featuring Elrohir.
Yes, wouldn't it? Don't look for me to be starting anything else willingly until I finish some of these WIPs!
OK, finally: poor Imrahil. I won't try to circulate a petition, but surely the poor man has gone without love for far too long. If he does end up with Hethlin in the end, he's still facing a few years by himself while she earns her white belt. Adn he's not getting any younger! I shouldn't presume to speak on behalf of the Prince of Dol Amroth, but please, let him get some soon
Are you suggesting he should resume his former career as a connoisseur of brothels? I don't know how he can really get some without appearing to be totally fickle and insincere. Until he gives up on Heth accepting his suit, I don't think he'll be getting any other action.
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