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Isabeau's Journal

 November, 12 2005

OK, folks-this is the general forum now for questions that don't seem to fit in any of the other threads. I'm going to sort some of the earlier posts into the appropriate forums, but it might take a while, so bear with me. I'll delete the ones that have already been reposted by their authors.

Good point. I mean, I would think that Imrahil would be "able" to have children even late in life (thinking about Anthony Quinn, for example). And obviously, he wouldn't know that he will die in 30 years (is that right? I can't remember exactly...). But would he want to wait to be a father when he over 70, 80 years old?

Exactly. This is the other main reason I object to their pairing, as I feel it will... not exactly "demean" Imrahil, but it would not allow him to embrace aging as a natural part of life, rather than something he has to apologize for or fight against to suit a much younger spouse. It would bring echoes of what Tolkien foisted on Arwen and Aragorn when his time came.

It's not that I think he's too old right now to have more children, although he's already got a family and really doesn't need more children to make his life full and rich in that way. But really, to father children when he's 80 or older (and I think he dies at 99) would be just, well... wrong. His grandson would be a young adult by that time -- it would force Imrahil to twist himself into playing different roles simultaneously. He could handle, but would he enjoy it? I think Imrahil's dignity would be compromised by being with Hethlin -- not because of the whispering (which I agree he could handle) but because being with Hethlin would be a stark reminder of his aging, and I can't help but think that there will be times, increasing in frequency as he ages, that he feels he's not able to keep up with Hethlin, or their children.

I don't want him in a position of feeling inadequate, or regretting a completely natural thing that he has absolutely no control over. Rather, I see him as someone who will age gracefully and carefully support his sons so that they can assume his responsibilities when the time comes.

As Elrohir once observed, Imrahil is Hethlin's match, except he hasn't got the time left to him that would make him a good partner for her. That's a truth that wouldn't just have implications for Hethlin (being alone after Imrahil dies), it would have unpleasant implications for Imrahil himself.

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