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Hethlin of Anorien

 February, 25 2006

I know CMC's a done deal, but since I intend to give it a thorough editing in the future, I'll include it in this thread, as well as make this a place for any other Heth questions not appropriate for the Silver Swan thread.

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 [81] Yes, I think Angrim kept his silence about Hethlin. I wonder if he liked the feeling that he had been loyal to Faramir in some small way, and not entirely sold him out to his father.

Posted:Jul 20, 2008 11:52 GMT  Reply to this Comment

 [82] I think that's probably it, or that ranger unity was more important perhaps he found his place with the rangers and only told Denethor small things or those to big to hide.

Posted:Jul 20, 2008 14:16 GMT  Reply to this Comment

 [83] Heyo!

Something just occurred to me: in Passages, Heth tells Brand that the blade she got from Boromir was given to him on his fourtennth birthday. But when I read Visions, I don't see it being mentioned during their conversation. I suppose Boromir could have told her later in the evening, but I don't see them talking about it in the midst of the rangers and in front of Faramir himself! Only a possible continuity error - Faramir could have told Heth later, I suppose, when he recognises his brother's knife?

Posted:Aug 13, 2008 08:23 GMT  Reply to this Comment

 [84] Edit the above: Actually, Hethlin says 'he [Boromir] told me...' so the last idea is incorrect. *Smacks self*

Now that I think about it, maybe this should have gone into the 'Princes of Dol Amroth' thread. *Smacks self again* If it is, sorry about posting it in the wrong one! Can it be changed?

Posted:Aug 13, 2008 08:35 GMT  Reply to this Comment

 [85] Hi Isabeau!

Hope this is the right thread to post this in...

I have been working on a drabble series, "Fell and Fair" (which is turning into a drabble novel LOL!) and got the idea for a drabble (which spawned a second) from your story "Blackbow".

Following is part of the author's notes for that drabble. I do not know when I will be posting it, since the chapter (the Battle of the Field of Celebrant) is just begun, but I wanted you to know how grateful I am for the inspiration... I had despaired of ever being able to begin writing that chapter!

- Barbara

Sometimes a drabble can spontaneously generate from a concept, a phrase, or even a single word. The latter is the case for this one, which I began shortly after reading this passage:

... Mablung removed Faramirs leather jerkin, pulled up his shirt and examined the wound with eyes and hands and nose....

I dont think that hes gut-riven, he declared at last, and Boromir sagged a bit in relief, for such would have been a death sentence....

From Blackbow, by Isabeau of Greenlea

'Gut-riven' struck me as such a starkly evocative word dramatic, descriptive, and, let's face it, gruesome that I was energized to write this drabble. As of September 2008, I have worked on this series for almost 3 years and completed 93 drabbles... but this is the first one about the central organizing event. Thank you, Isabeau, for the unexpected and highly welcome catalyst!

Elena Tiriel
Posted:Sep 8, 2008 20:15 GMT  Reply to this Comment

 [86] Hi Barbara! I was so very glad to hear that I had been a help to you, particularly in an instance where you were blocked! I certainly know how that feels!

Looking forward very much to the drabble when it is posted!

Posted:Sep 10, 2008 14:42 GMT  Reply to this Comment

 [87] Hi,

I've had a slightly random question floating around in my brain for a while now, I hope its alright to post it here (and that it hsn't already been asked). It didn't seem to fit any of the other categories very well.

Did Elrohir ever get that portrait of he, Arwen and Elladan painted for their mother? It seemed like such a lovely idea, but I wasn't sure if it was ever going to come up again. The image of some poor artists face when he's asked to paint the Queen and her two brothers makes me giggle!


P.S. Thanks again for all your stories, they're proving very effective ways of releasing Master's related stress.

Posted:Oct 27, 2008 06:31 GMT  Reply to this Comment

 [88] Hi, Drenagon! No, I haven't covered it specifically, but I figure that Elrohir did find someone. I think I mentioned in CMC that he'd found an artist in Minas Tirith he thought would suit. That way, he could send the portrait with his father when Elrond left.

And perhaps later, he might have had another done, of Arwen and her family after Eldarion arrived. I think Celebrian would have enjoyed that, in a bittersweet sort of way. It would make an interesting vignette. (Sighs, and throws painterly nuzgul into hutch.)

Glad to hear I've provided you some relief from all that studying!

Posted:Oct 29, 2008 10:59 GMT  Reply to this Comment

 [89] Hello Isabeau,

I was wondering if Heth ever is told the History behind Imri finding Andra's relationship.

It seems that some of Andra's story mirrors Heth's somewhat as for the sexual abuse. What does Heth think of Andra and how he reacted to the abuse, (should she find out)? Would it help their conflicted relationship and bring them closer together?

Posted:Jun 10, 2009 12:10 GMT  Reply to this Comment

 [90] What does Heth think of Andra and how he reacted to the abuse, (should she find out)? Would it help their conflicted relationship and bring them closer together?

Interesting question, but I'm guessing 'no' to the latter just because Heth probably would feel sorry for him if she found out about his years as a slave and catamite and then on the streets.

My read on it: Andrahar is the wrong personality type to react well to any attempt to form common ground with Heth on this issue. He hates to be pitied - in "Discretion," when he did decide to explain to Boromir something about his past, he gave a very edited version and explicitly told Boromir, with a bit of a growl, that Boromir "need not feel sorry for me."

For Hethlin to find out about that past would be embarrassing in the extreme if it came from someone other than Andrahar. And Andrahar has no reason to want Hethlin to know - he doesn't need her pity, and he doesn't need intimate violence as a ground for alliance with her. There's also the gender and age division that would resonate with him: she's younger and female, which may make him find her experience not to be relevantly similar to his (or vice versa). Moreover, she's under his command - he doesn't need her friendship nor even her liking, just her obedience and respect. He doesn't at this point in his life likely feel the need to "work through" what happened fifty years ago in Harad; he's got Imrahil, he had Boromir. Why would he need Heth in this capacity?

The only reason I can think of that he might offer up that old history to someone who doesn't already know it at this point would be because he thinks the other person needs to hear it. Hence in "Passages," he does tell Brand what happened to him because he thinks Brand needs help dealing with his first kill, which necessitates Andrahar telling about his own first kill, which occurred in escaping a sexual sadist. Otherwise, he wouldn't have brought it up, I don't think.

I can't think of many scenarios where Hethlin would be in a similar situation to Brand's, and I can think of several ways Andrahar could deal with those situations as her commander and teacher without airing his own past, and that would probably work better just for that reason.

But anyhow... sorry to jump in on a question when I'm not even the addressee. Procrastination: the only immortal...


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