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Hethlin of Anorien

By:Isabeau
 February, 25 2006

I know CMC's a done deal, but since I intend to give it a thorough editing in the future, I'll include it in this thread, as well as make this a place for any other Heth questions not appropriate for the Silver Swan thread.


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 [121] Nargil wrote: Yikes, I need to sleep, eat and work less.
Ummmm, you're allowed to do all of the above. I know it's been forever since I wrote anything, but really...
I'll join the group wanting to know more about Andra, the story you mention to follow motherless sounds interesting. I'd like to see more of him with Imri's family in general. The scene of him and Elphir in Last Right's and what you wrote about Andra having to be hard on him to prove that Elphir wasn't his favourite esquire, I'd like to see the two of them when he was growing up.
Two votes for the Motherless prequel then. There might be something short with him and Elphir as an esquire one of these days, but don't hold your breath. I really enjoyed writing the two of them together in Last Rites, which was the first time I'd really done anything significant with Elphir. It surprised me a bit, how close they were.
Also more of the aftermath of the fight you wrote in the march drabbles (shield man and bitter victory) when Andra wakes up, kind of the filler before ultimatums.
Ah yes. Did you ask me for this one before, or was that someone else? Sounds like a nice little angst-nuzgul, doesn't it?
If you want to do Blackbow I'll go along with that, Boromir and Hethlin work well together and I want to know what Faramir says when she turns up at his 'secret' refuge and the story of Arcag and the Mumak.
That's pretty much my last two chapters right there. Along with a little Faramir introspective angst.
Anything with Andra in is good, with Imri, your swan knights or especially Boromir. A fic where it's his birthday?
Andra's birthday? Hmmmmm, I'll have to decide when it is. That's kind of intriguing. Of course, I guess I could take the date on Kedara and Asinyal and let that be his birthday-the book would have been a great birthday gift.
Could Andra ride before he came to Dol-Amroth and what does he actually think of horses, does he like them as many of the knights seem to and does he always give them Haradric names?
You know, I don't know! It could have gone either way-it might have been part of his arms practice or he could have been totally clueless. I'm tending more towards him having had some training. But it had been four years since he'd last ridden when Imri saved him, and he'd never done mounted combat, so I suspect he had a lot of ground to make up, though he would not have been as bad off as a man of arms promoted to esquire. That's a good one, Nargil. Maybe Imri helped to teach him like he taught him to swim.
um yeah, bit of an Andra obsesion over here....
No, I hadn't noticed...

Isabeau
Posted:Jun 13, 2009 17:53 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [122] "Ah yes. Did you ask me for this one before, or was that someone else? Sounds like a nice little angst-nuzgul, doesn't it?"

I mentioned it sort of to both you and Dwim, there where 3 ficlets on the same lines. It does sound like a nice little Nuzgul, pale brown wth a bandage on 1 leg.

I can't believe there's only two chapters of Blackbow, I thought it would catch up to CMC or is there somthing else and a bunch of oneshots in the middle.

The Pel and Andra debate is a good one, I hope it bites I guess Pel is Andra's closest friend outside Imri's family so it's good that he knows really.

An odd question, does Esteven have brown eyes or grey?

Nargil
Posted:Jun 13, 2009 18:12 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [123] I was thinking of something of the kind the other day, but I was also contemplating a companion piece to Motherless, which told about Nimrien's death from Andra's point of view.

I still think "Motherless" is one of your most moving works. I feel the tears prickling in the back of my mind just thinking about it. I think it would be great to have Andra's insight into this time, especially with the glimpses of such a playful, deep, wonderful friendship beginning (cue Humphrey Bogart) between Andra and Nimrien in "Ultimatums".

* The 'conversation' between Faramir and Elrohir before Heth arrives in Chapter 52.
You don't ask for the easy ones, do you? Not sure I'll ever address this, because I'm not sure anything I could write would be as good as what people imagine for themselves.


You know, as much as I'm sure I would like whatever Isabeau could come up with, I agree with her here. It just feels nice to me to come upon this scene and come up with diverse silly, ludicrous or implausible things that might have happened.

Even the continuation: How does Imrahil figure/find out that Brand knows? They definitely seem to have an understanding in Passages. Although, thinking about it, I wonder if Andrahar wouldn't just come clean to Imrahil that he'd told the secret, intentionally or unintentionally, once the dust settles over Imrahil finding out about Brand. In fact, I'd love to see the scene where Andrahar tells Imrahil that he's found Boromir's son! Maybe you can roll it all up into the scene of Andrahar telling Imrahil that he smacked down Hethlin... *hopeful look*

This whole shebang of Imrahil's discovery of Brand's existence plus Imrahil returning home after DAY is one I'm actually the most curious about, because those two are such important pivotal points for Brand, Andra, Hethlin, Faramir, and the Dol Amroth clan.

* Gimli and Amrothos and the gates of Minas Tirith.

Oh, that's a nice idea! I love all your Gimli pieces, and he so seldomly deigns to speak with you but then it's doubly worth it. In a similar vein, how about a continuation of that hilarious Gimli in Valinor story?

Btw, I can totally see Amrothos and Brand as Holmes and Watson! Now who could be Professor Moriarty?

And I'm very happy to learn you might be writing a Heth-as-bodyguard story, and a Elphir & Andra story!

As for nuzgl-flinging myself, I'm lazy and just point to many of the great ideas by the others, plus just one of my own: I'd like to see you write more about the time when Nimrien was still alive and she and Imri were making their own happy family. (I can recall just one already-written scene in that time frame: the short story about Imrahil planting a tree).

Imhiriel
Posted:Jun 14, 2009 00:21 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [124] Dwim wrote: Re: Brand and Amrothos

(Isabeau):What time frame are you seeing this happening?

I'd actually pegged it as something that could happen when Brand was younger, but had become, as it were, "interesting" to Amrothos. About the time Brand expressed interest in some chemistry set Amrothos was jealously brooding over, *and* proved he could deal with the "Do as you oughta, put acid in wata (water)" rule, I figure the ground would be laid.
This is an interesting idea, but I'd be much more comfortable with it if I hadn't studiously avoided anything resembling Chemistry in my academic career!

On the other hand, you do have that Sherlock Holmes thing to write, and I think Brand could be the Watson-style muscle in this relationship.
That's an interesting idea. I'd actually tapped Lorend to do it originally-he even has the leg wound.

On the courting of Andrahar topic:

I don't see Jerulas being in the running!

Dear God, no! I was thinking some hitherto unwritten OFC would make him her mark, and he probably would, at first, think she was trying to get to Imrahil before realizing that, oh no, Imrahil is not this one's target...

Handling the attempt to escape the relationship gracefully might be fun, and I'd kind of like to see what kind of woman would go after him, and how he would respond.
This is intriguing. I'm trying to picture her myself. No luck as yet.
Of course, in my head, Imrahil is laughing all the way to the inevitable end of the non-affair, and is Of No Help At All.
LOL! That is exactly what would happen!

Hop along home, my fangy ones!
Yes, by all means, go back to Chicago!

Isabeau
Posted:Jun 14, 2009 22:30 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [125] Nargil wrote: I can't believe there's only two chapters of Blackbow, I thought it would catch up to CMC or is there somthing else and a bunch of oneshots in the middle.
Shudder! Originally I intended it to be longer, but then I decided that it might be better to keep it a moderate length and then maybe do some Ranger one shots.

An odd question, does Esteven have brown eyes or grey?
He has blue-grey eyes.

Isabeau
Posted:Jun 14, 2009 22:34 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [126] Amrothos-Brand: I'd be much more comfortable with it if I hadn't studiously avoided anything resembling Chemistry in my academic career!

Well... it need not be about chemistry, per se, that could just be the hook and perhaps the catalyst. *wheedles*

I'm trying to picture her myself. No luck as yet.

All I've got is she would have to be able to speak Haradric. And clever. And persistent. Maybe a wealthy merchant's second daughter or something like this.

Yes, by all means, go back to Chicago!

Just for that, one more that occurred to me:

So it is established in Kin-strife that Andrahar knows where to go to get recreational narcotics and also has a working knowledge of commonly used poisons.

I'd like to see Amrothos, who, as we know, also has an interest in all such things, perhaps involving Andrahar in his little research project and seeing if there's a story behind why he decides on it.

(Ok, mostly, I think it'd be hysterical if just old enough to be considered adult Amrothos basically chats up his uncle to go get him some quality narcotics to experiment with. But surely one could find more things to do with this than just throw away humor!)

*shoos bunnies southeast* Kentucky, my fluffies - off you go!

Dwim
Posted:Jun 14, 2009 23:47 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [127] All I've got is she would have to be able to speak Haradric. And clever. And persistent. Maybe a wealthy merchant's second daughter or something like this.

IMO, it could also go into the opposite direction: She could be someone who doesn't appreciate Andra for himself, but only sees him as someone exotic; and/or someone she wants to conquer for conquest's sake, to brag about to tittering court ladies.

I can't see see someone like Jenolas, either - someone of her status-obsessed attitude wouldn't want anything to do with a "Haradrim stray" in the first place.

Hey, why not have a couple of different would-be "huntresses", with a range of different motives, and their trials and Andra's tribulations complicate the story?

(Ok, mostly, I think it'd be hysterical if just old enough to be considered adult Amrothos basically chats up his uncle to go get him some quality narcotics to experiment with.

LOL, I can sooo see Amrothos with a completely straight manner, not understanding why anyone would make a fuss about it...

But surely one could find more things to do with this than just throw away humor!)

Oh, yes, things could go seriously wrong, and his siblings have to come to the rescue, or are implicated (wittingly or unwittingly?)... I can see Elphir doing his best to protect his youngest brother etc.

Imhiriel
Posted:Jun 15, 2009 12:42 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [128] Hey, why not have a couple of different would-be "huntresses", with a range of different motives, and their trials and Andra's tribulations complicate the story?

I like the way you think...

Dwim
Posted:Jun 15, 2009 15:56 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [129] So psyched to see Isabeau's threads active again, and the prospect of updated Hethlin stories (and Andra, etc.). I'm pushing to finish my thesis so can't devote time to thoughtful participation in this fascinating discussion but I just want to say "Yay!!" Here's to hoping time and creative juices allow us to enjoy some new Isabeau material soon!

(PS: Hi Denise, Imhiriel, Nargil, and everyone else! I miss our passionate little debates and discussions. In another couple of weeks I'll be hopefully out of my purgatory...)

Gwdhiel (Rebecca)
Posted:Jun 16, 2009 12:07 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [130] Sorry to be so late getting back to this-I've had internet troubles on my end. Always happens when we have a lot of rain.
Imhiriel wrote: I still think "Motherless" is one of your most moving works. I feel the tears prickling in the back of my mind just thinking about it. I think it would be great to have Andra's insight into this time, especially with the glimpses of such a playful, deep, wonderful friendship beginning (cue Humphrey Bogart) between Andra and Nimrien in "Ultimatums".
It's one of my favorites too. I was trying to wrap my brain around what it might have been like for Andra the other day. In Motherless, Imrahil seems to have gotten a grip on himself, but I'm wondering if he was absolutely distraught earlier. I also realized that there was no mention of Adrahil in Motherless, and he was certainly still around. That provided added impetus for a second story about that time.
Even the continuation: How does Imrahil figure/find out that Brand knows? They definitely seem to have an understanding in Passages. Although, thinking about it, I wonder if Andrahar wouldn't just come clean to Imrahil that he'd told the secret, intentionally or unintentionally, once the dust settles over Imrahil finding out about Brand. In fact, I'd love to see the scene where Andrahar tells Imrahil that he's found Boromir's son! Maybe you can roll it all up into the scene of Andrahar telling Imrahil that he smacked down Hethlin... *hopeful look*
This is one that cries out for a one-shot, isn't it? I will have to do it at some point. I do think Andrahar would tell Imri that he'd informed Brand. I don't think Imrahil would necessarily be pleased. If it gets to be too much of a problem, I might have to go back and change things a bit, so that Brand overhears or sees something he shouldn't (like Heth does all the time!) that tells him what's going on without Andra being involved. Because right now I'm having trouble trying to imagine why Andra would have told him.
Btw, I can totally see Amrothos and Brand as Holmes and Watson! Now who could be Professor Moriarty?
Ah, but there doesn't have to be a Moriarty unless I write a bunch of them, now does there? I could always just do one!
In a similar vein, how about a continuation of that hilarious Gimli in Valinor story?
That's another one I would love to finish. One of these days, the rest of it will occur to me. I think water-skiing is involved, but that's all I know at this point.
As for nuzgl-flinging myself, I'm lazy and just point to many of the great ideas by the others, plus just one of my own: I'd like to see you write more about the time when Nimrien was still alive and she and Imri were making their own happy family. (I can recall just one already-written scene in that time frame: the short story about Imrahil planting a tree).
There's The Best Gift of All as well. I always liked that one because of the Nimrien/Faramir interaction. And Imrahil bringing back the transparent chemise...

Isabeau
Posted:Jun 18, 2009 08:06 GMT  Reply to this Comment
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