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Hethlin of Anorien

By:Isabeau
 February, 25 2006

I know CMC's a done deal, but since I intend to give it a thorough editing in the future, I'll include it in this thread, as well as make this a place for any other Heth questions not appropriate for the Silver Swan thread.


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 [111] Isabeau said: I was also contemplating a companion piece to Motherless, which told about Nimrien's death from Andra's point of view.

Forgot to say that I'd love to see this, too. Nimrien and Andrahar seem to be getting off on the right foot as friends in Ultimatums, "managing" Imrahil between them, and I think it would be very interesting to get a glimpse into the normal shifting of relationships between the three as Imrahil and Nimrien settle into married life. I could see her and Andra being very good friends. Is that what happens? And if so, was Nimrien the first female that Andrahar was close to as a friend? He doesn't seem to have overmuch use for women other than love/respect for his and Imrahil's family members.

Denise
Posted:Jun 13, 2009 11:47 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [112] In the realm of "be careful what you wish for," I'd like to see....

* Amrothos and Brand working together on something - this just strikes me as an explosive combination.

* Now that we have "Liquid Numbers", do Hethlin and Amrothos's future bride ever interact?

* Andrahar admits to Brand that his reason for not marrying has nothing to do with not being fancied by some of the court women. Which ones, pray tell? I see a romantic comedy of... interesting... proportions...

* The rest of Ultimatums.

* In "Noble Jewel," we find that Peloren knows who Andrahar's lover was. When/how did he learn that Andrahar was a lover of men, and how did that affect their progress from enemies to friends?

* The rest of Blackbow.

* Gimli and Amrothos and the gates of Minas Tirith.

Ta!

Dwim
Posted:Jun 13, 2009 14:57 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [113] * In "Noble Jewel," we find that Peloren knows who Andrahar's lover was. When/how did he learn that Andrahar was a lover of men, and how did that affect their progress from enemies to friends?

Am I right in having the feeling from the end of Discovery that Esteven knows, too? Or reading too much into it?

Denise
Posted:Jun 13, 2009 15:49 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [114] Am I right in having the feeling from the end of Discovery that Esteven knows, too?

Esteven totally knows.

Speaking of which - what is Esteven's story? Add that to the list.

Dwim
Posted:Jun 13, 2009 16:42 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [115] Isabeau said: I was also contemplating a companion piece to Motherless, which told about Nimrien's death from Andra's point of view.

Denise wrote: Forgot to say that I'd love to see this, too. Nimrien and Andrahar seem to be getting off on the right foot as friends in Ultimatums, "managing" Imrahil between them, and I think it would be very interesting to get a glimpse into the normal shifting of relationships between the three as Imrahil and Nimrien settle into married life. I could see her and Andra being very good friends. Is that what happens? And if so, was Nimrien the first female that Andrahar was close to as a friend? He doesn't seem to have overmuch use for women other than love/respect for his and Imrahil's family members.

They do become very close friends, though arguably Finduilas was his first friend. Remember that Andra doesn't tend to joke with people unless he is attached to them, and that he obviously has a long-running jest going with the long-suffering Finduilas. She certainly liked him very much, even in the face of Denethor's disapproval. But I think that Andra became much closer with Nimrien. They are very much unlike, the man of the body and the woman of the mind, but they do have some things in common, namely Imrahil, and I have always felt that they just hit it off. She simply accepted him, including the fact that he was a man-lover, and I think that acceptance allowed him to lower his usual defenses in return.

Isabeau
Posted:Jun 13, 2009 17:06 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [116] Dwim wrote (because she can't resist flinging the fangies, no she can't, my precious...)

* Amrothos and Brand working together on something - this just strikes me as an explosive combination.
What time frame are you seeing this happening? I'm thinking it might be more likely to happen when Brand is older.
* Now that we have "Liquid Numbers", do Hethlin and Amrothos's future bride ever interact?
I'm sure that they will, but it will be a while before you see that. What I'm curious about is how Andra would react.* Andrahar admits to Brand that his reason for not marrying has nothing to do with not being fancied by some of the court women. Which ones, pray tell? I see a romantic comedy of... interesting... proportions...
I don't see Jerulas being in the running! Other than that, I haven't come up with a particular character. I suspect that he might have been pursued when he was in his twenties and early thirties, perhaps by young women who were hoping to enter the Heir's sphere of influence by the back door as it were. Would Andra be smart enough to see through that? I suspect so. It's an interesting idea.
* The rest of Ultimatums.
If I had it straight enough in my mind (and I still don't, despite your and Una's help, I'd finish that sucker as your birthday prezzie tomorrow. I'm as sick of it hanging fire as you are.
* In "Noble Jewel," we find that Peloren knows who Andrahar's lover was. When/how did he learn that Andrahar was a lover of men, and how did that affect their progress from enemies to friends?
That's one I've been wondering about too. Easiest answer is that Peloren caught them at something. Of course, if he knew, why didn't he mention it to Imrahil? Did Andrahar ask him to keep it quiet, or did Peloren just decide that it was dishonorable to mention it to anyone, even their liege? This one is a very compelling fangie-if I come up with an answer, I'll write it. If you come up with an answer first, feel free.
* The rest of Blackbow.
That one you might see.
* Gimli and Amrothos and the gates of Minas Tirith.
This one is interesting as well. Someone also suggested a while back (I think it was Altariel) that it would be fun if Amrothos and Gandalf had ever crossed paths.

Isabeau
Posted:Jun 13, 2009 17:18 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [117] Yikes, I need to sleep, eat and work less.

I'll join the group wanting to know more about Andra, the story you mention to follow motherless sounds interesting. I'd like to see more of him with Imri's family in general. The scene of him and Elphir in Last Right's and what you wrote about Andra having to be hard on him to prove that Elphir wasn't his favourite esquire, I'd like to see the two of them when he was growing up.

Also more of the aftermath of the fight you wrote in the march drabbles (shield man and bitter victory) when Andra wakes up, kind of the filler before ultimatums.

If you want to do Blackbow I'll go along with that, Boromir and Hethlin work well together and I want to know what Faramir says when she turns up at his 'secret' refuge and the story of Arcag and the Mumak.

Anything with Andra in is good, with Imri, your swan knights or especially Boromir. A fic where it's his birthday?

Could Andra ride before he came to Dol-Amroth and what does he actually think of horses, does he like them as many of the knights seem to and does he always give them Haradric names?

um yeah, bit of an Andra obsesion over here....

Nargil
Posted:Jun 13, 2009 17:21 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [118] Denise wrote: Am I right in having the feeling from the end of Discovery that Esteven knows, too?

Dwim answered: Esteven totally knows.

Speaking of which - what is Esteven's story? Add that to the list.

Oh, Esteven knows. As to his backstory-I've waffled on that one a couple of times. I keep trying to decide where I want to go with that one. I know he has a little Haradric blood in him, ergo his complexion, but he certainly wasn't born in Harad-I think he has a Haradric grandparent.

He's a cutie, I've thought about getting him a romance. Perhaps with poor Nelladel. He and Liahan are best buddies.


Isabeau
Posted:Jun 13, 2009 17:22 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [119] Denise wrote: Even the continuation: How does Imrahil figure/find out that Brand knows? They definitely seem to have an understanding in Passages. Although, thinking about it, I wonder if Andrahar wouldn't just come clean to Imrahil that he'd told the secret, intentionally or unintentionally, once the dust settles over Imrahil finding out about Brand.
I suspect that's just what happened. Other than hiding his relationship with Boromir, Andra has always been very upfront with Imrahil.
In fact, I'd love to see the scene where Andrahar tells Imrahil that he's found Boromir's son! Maybe you can roll it all up into the scene of Andrahar telling Imrahil that he smacked down Hethlin... *hopeful look*
This one is definitely on my list. Don't think it would fit in Silver Swan, it probably needs to be a one-off.
I was wondering if Heth knows about Andra and Boromir's relationship.
I wondered about that, too, when she told Brand in Passages that he should make up with Andrahar. Although I feel like Heth's sensitive enough to simply want that for the two of them, even without knowing all the background info.
I think you're right about that. She is uncomfortable seeing them at odds with each other. She doesn't like it when families are arguing-remember she wasn't happy that Elrohir and Elrond were estranged.

Isabeau
Posted:Jun 13, 2009 17:27 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [120] Re: Brand and Amrothos

What time frame are you seeing this happening?

I'd actually pegged it as something that could happen when Brand was younger, but had become, as it were, "interesting" to Amrothos. About the time Brand expressed interest in some chemistry set Amrothos was jealously brooding over, *and* proved he could deal with the "Do as you oughta, put acid in wata (water)" rule, I figure the ground would be laid.

On the other hand, you do have that Sherlock Holmes thing to write, and I think Brand could be the Watson-style muscle in this relationship.

I'm sure that they will, but it will be a while before you see that.

Phooey. Hm... this actually has some fanginess in its own right for me, but it would probably be AU because of timeline issues.

On the courting of Andrahar topic:

I don't see Jerulas being in the running!

Dear God, no! I was thinking some hitherto unwritten OFC would make him her mark, and he probably would, at first, think she was trying to get to Imrahil before realizing that, oh no, Imrahil is not this one's target...

Handling the attempt to escape the relationship gracefully might be fun, and I'd kind of like to see what kind of woman would go after him, and how he would respond.

Of course, in my head, Imrahil is laughing all the way to the inevitable end of the non-affair, and is Of No Help At All.

On Peloren and Andrahar:

This one is a very compelling fangie-if I come up with an answer, I'll write it.

*pets nuzgul*

If you come up with an answer first, feel free.

I admit, I have a scenelet, but it has to date gone no where, so since you were collecting wishes...

On Gimli and Amrothos:

This one is interesting as well.

Hop along home, my fangy ones!

Dwim
Posted:Jun 13, 2009 17:30 GMT  Reply to this Comment
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