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Princes of Dol Amroth

By:Isabeau
 February, 25 2006

Questions about the life and times of Imrahil and his family can be asked here, including questions about Ultimatums, Kin-Strife and the shorter stories. Discussions about Brand can go either here or in the Best-Loved Son thread, since his stories sort of overlap both cycles.


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 [211] And come on, who wouldn't want to read some Imrahil smut! ;-)

*waves hand frantically*

*coughcough* OK, uh, back to the main topics... Now, I didn't read that scene in Passages as Imrahil being a steady souse, just that with the war looming he is thinking more on his mortality, and thus on "wish it was" and "might have been's." The baker does berate him, but I think there's still room for the occasional drinker vs. lush scenario.

I really do think that Imrahil is in love, and knows it. He did spend that entire trip to-from Lorien figuring it out, and tried to convince himself that he would never speak of it with Heth, because he saw that his confession would likely cause problems for her, sensitive soul that she is. Given my conviction of his feelings being true, I just can't see him moving on for a while, if ever. He knows what true love is (Nimrien), and has had plenty of exposure over the last years to the ladies of the court in both MT and DA. I think his character is just such that he won't settle for less than "the best." (I'm thinking of him taking Nimrien's ultimatum, for example, rather than finding an "easier" mate.) He would rather do without again rather than compromise just to satisfy carnal needs, because he knows the bliss of having both body and soul involved in a union.

But I am unapologetically a hopeless romantic, too, so it's typical that I would favor this idea, so long as it follows the character as I understand him/her. :)

And given Heth's non-recognition of her feelings for both Faramir and Elrohir, I think the pattern is set for potential feelings for Imrahil. If nothing else, she would squash any beginnings of them because he is currently her liege-lord. Plus, given the wicked esquire schedule, when would she have time or energy to dwell on them?

And as for a healthy, not-only-based-on-fantastic-sex life together - oh, yes! I'm not saying I can see them sparring together every day *g*, but, I dunno - in my mind I can see Heth doing some serious maturing and growing initially, but having more than sex and children that they can share to bind them together over the decades. She is strong enough in her own right to function as his equal, I think. But, as always, this is all IMvvHO.

Maybe we need to give Isabeau lots of puppy-dog eyes about continuing right on into Dale, and closer to some sort of decision on Heth's part... *sad, soulful look sent in Isabeau's direction*

Denise
Posted:May 17, 2007 15:52 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [212] Rebecca asked, I'm sure quite rhetorically *g*:
And come on, who wouldn't want to read some Imrahil smut! ;-)

and Denise reacted - in a way which didn't surprise me *eg*:
*waves hand frantically*

Denise, I see I have made a major mistake in "Calm after the Storm" by not including some highly attractive Damsel in Distress for Imrahil to save from the pirates, and taking that bath in intimate society...

Denise again:
Now, I didn't read that scene in Passages as Imrahil being a steady souse, just that with the war looming he is thinking more on his mortality, and thus on "wish it was" and "might have been's." The baker does berate him, but I think there's still room for the occasional drinker vs. lush scenario.

I'm perhaps in the middle between your two opinions. I think in the specific scene in Passages the drinking is caused by a combination of - yes, let's call it moping, it's the most simplified term - moping and some obviously haunting visions he had, presumably about the upcoming battles.

But for Brand to know of this habit, it must happen often enough to have been noticed, even with Imrahil's frequent absences from Dol Amroth. And the only reason for that, IMO, would be Hethlin; or a combination: longing for a happy past (Nimrien)-longing for a happy future (Hethlin).

And to clarify: I do see a distinct difference between moping and seeking oblivion.

Moping, I can understand. Imrahil is a patient man, and he obviously considers Hethlin, quite rightly, as someone worth waiting for. But it must be difficult to have to see her so often, and to know she is attracted to him.

Seeking oblivion, on the other hand, would be, to my mind, totally out of character for Imrahil, and not something I could respect. But I don't see this in the way it is written, anyway. He recovers quite nicely, as we see, and manages quite well when Heth appears in the kitchen.

But yes, serious puppy-dog eyes would be very handy, methinks *g*.

Imhiriel
Posted:May 17, 2007 16:45 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [213] *sends puppydog eyes in Isabeau's direction*

i don't think Imri drinks a lot now, certainley not as much as he used to, we just keep seeing him in the rough spotsof his life when he wants to drink.

Also I don't think his drinkig in passages was over Hethlin, he's homesick before he's left and Andra is not on the scene (I pressume he's the captain packing the wagons) therefor brandy.

His quick recovery regards Hethlin and the way he deals with Brand would also suggest homesick rather than Hethsick. From what I've seen of Homesickness on thier own with time to think people get mopy but with someone to distract them and things to do it passes quickly.

Whilst seeing Imri happy would be nice I'm more worried about Brand and Andra right now, they're not even speaking hardly, just quitley sitting there tearing themselves to pieces over the split.

Nargil
Posted:May 17, 2007 17:32 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [214] Imhiriel: Denise, I see I have made a major mistake in "Calm after the Storm" by not including some highly attractive Damsel in Distress for Imrahil to save from the pirates, and taking that bath in intimate society...

Lol! Well, feel free to revisit that scenario, Imhiriel. And even if you don't, I do have An Imagination. *g* Which is sometimes all that saves me from going a bit nuts with curiosity between updates.

I'm probably pretty close to your moping/war-worried scenario, actually, looking at the way you've spelled it out.

Nargil, what makes me personally think that the drinking is (in part) due to Hethlin is that comment Imrahil makes just before Brand notices the brandy: "And the most unencumbered."

Nargil: Whilst seeing Imri happy would be nice I'm more worried about Brand and Andra right now, they're not even speaking hardly, just quitley sitting there tearing themselves to pieces over the split.

I know, it is worrisome, and frustrating, and Andra going off to war tomorrow for at least a year! I haven't forgotten that it's Brand's story here, it's just been a treat to get the Hethlin/Imrahil glimpses, whatever relationship they are actually pointing towards.

Denise
Posted:May 17, 2007 18:38 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [215] Denise wrote:And given Heth's non-recognition of her feelings for both Faramir and Elrohir, I think the pattern is set for potential feelings for Imrahil. If nothing else, she would squash any beginnings of them because he is currently her liege-lord. Plus, given the wicked esquire schedule, when would she have time or energy to dwell on them?

Oh sure, it's certainly possible that she's feeling more than she's letting on, even to herself. But Imrahil's not going to know that. My point is just that he's had no positive indication from Hethlin that things will ever resolve as he wants them to.

Am I right in thinking that the war in Dale will bring two white birds to the North ... or however Faramir's fireside vision went?

Rebecca
Posted:May 17, 2007 19:12 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [216] My point is just that he's had no positive indication from Hethlin that things will ever resolve as he wants them to.

You're right, I don't think he has either, unless you count the latest chapter of Passages - but we have only the briefest of scenes to go by and it's not from either Heth or Imrahil's PoV...

Faramir's vision is in CMC Ch. 18, near the very end, after Heth boots both Elrohir and Imrahil out of her room. (*g* I still love that.) The white birds are separate from the (Star of the) North, although it does seem like the upcoming war is quite likely mentioned.

Denise
Posted:May 18, 2007 02:30 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [217] Nightmare situation, Imrahil and Hethlin will they wont they, and I agree with Nargil Brand and Andra.

In fact there's only one thing to do *Chucks cookies to placate the Nuzgul* thatway maybe your poor musses can get a ord in edgeways.

Rochnariel
Posted:May 18, 2007 18:26 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [218] Gah, I wrote that and got jumped, sorry for borrowing you bunnies Isabeau, here they are, they wanted the cookies!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/Rochnariel/Nuzgul.jpg?t=1179527063

Rochnariel
Posted:May 18, 2007 18:30 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [219] Gah, I wrote that and got jumped, sorry for borrowing you bunnies Isabeau, here they are, they wanted the cookies!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/Rochnariel/Nuzgul.jpg?t=1179527063

That was really cute Rochnariel! Thanks a bunch! You can lure my bunnies away any time you like-though I doubt the others will thank you for it!

Isabeau
Posted:May 26, 2007 12:24 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [220] Denise wrote: Maybe we need to give Isabeau lots of puppy-dog eyes about continuing right on into Dale, and closer to some sort of decision on Heth's part... *sad, soulful look sent in Isabeau's direction*

I am strongly considering it-I hadn't expected to run into such a block with Silver Swan and Passages isn't helping, because it's about to intersect with Game of Chess, so I feel like I've almost caught up. I would like to finish the WIPs first, though.

Isabeau
Posted:May 26, 2007 12:29 GMT  Reply to this Comment
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