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Princes of Dol Amroth

By:Isabeau
 February, 25 2006

Questions about the life and times of Imrahil and his family can be asked here, including questions about Ultimatums, Kin-Strife and the shorter stories. Discussions about Brand can go either here or in the Best-Loved Son thread, since his stories sort of overlap both cycles.


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 [191] Nargil asked: More on topic, is it ok to ask questions about passages now (I know we said we wouldn't at the time) ?

Certainly. Ask away. It helps to get my muse going, and I could use that right now.

Isabeau
Posted:Apr 19, 2007 06:20 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [192] Currently I'm hunting for the piece of paper I wrote the questions on about passages, can't find it (Don't worry, there's only about 5) two I can remember of the top of my head.

What was Glorfindle right about (although I get the feeling you won't answer that one)?

When does Erchirion come home, I know he was angry for a while but has he been home for long now or is he just back?

I love the idea of letting the villans sail off to fight another day, I get the feeling they have plenty of trouble yet to cause.

Nargil
Posted:Apr 19, 2007 19:47 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [193] Nargil asked: What was Glorfindle right about (although I get the feeling you won't answer that one)?

Not yet. I'm hoping to write a sidebar to Silver Swan about Andra and Glorfindel's dinner together after their duel. It will be explained there.

When does Erchirion come home, I know he was angry for a while but has he been home for long now or is he just back?

He's had time to be back and gone and back again-his quarrel with Imrahil dates to a couple of months after Dol Amroth Yule-February. He left Dol Amroth and didn't return until the late fall. But when he did, he apologized to his father-he'd found out some information about Veleda on his travels. And that was a year ago.

I love the idea of letting the villans sail off to fight another day, I get the feeling they have plenty of trouble yet to cause.

It's more that Captain Tufayl and Co. are in more trouble than they know. Their government will be very unhappy that they were inciting the Gondorrim in such a way.

Isabeau
Posted:Apr 20, 2007 21:59 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [194] Passages 8: This was a very enjoyable chapter, sad and funny by turns. A few small moments that I loved, which jumped out even more upon a second reading:

- Amrothos going off to war just to meet with dwarves
- Brand's shock over a disheveled Imrahil
- Gaelwyn scolding Imrahil, and the staff's obvious worry over their beloved lord
- the exuberant esquires (and "princess" Hethlin)
- Brand calling over Hethlin to help his uncle's mood, the little schemer
- of course, the Imrahil/black swan comparison, especially right after hearing the battle story from the former Black Swan himself
- and Hethlin's minor panic at being left alone with Imrahil in the mood he was suddenly in

I had to wonder at Mistress Gaelwyn's observations on those last two; she strikes me as a sharp-eyed individual.

I wondered, among other things:

1. When and how does Imrahil learn that Brand knows about his feelings for Heth? It was a bit of a surprise for me when Brand daringly told Imrahil that Heth really does like him, as Imrahil's gentle teasing about Brand's own crush on Heth (early in the story) then seems a bit hypocritical in a way. But maybe they've reached a sort of brotherhood over it, too.

2. Why does Heth sit "with enough force to almost slop cider from her mug" at the table with Imrahil and Brand? Was she simply startled by Imrahil's presence, or was she angry about something or trying to avoid him? Is it related to why Imrahil questioned her over who she thought was sitting with Brand? It seemed a bit tense for some reason (or maybe it's just me!), and they'd had such an easy relationship on the Foam-Flyer.

3. How much time has Imrahil actually spent in Dol Amroth during the last two years?

4. Is the testing for the esquires going to happen before riding off to Dale?

Thanks for giving us another wonderful continuation!

Denise
Posted:Apr 23, 2007 20:27 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [195] Denise wrote: I wondered, among other things:

1. When and how does Imrahil learn that Brand knows about his feelings for Heth? It was a bit of a surprise for me when Brand daringly told Imrahil that Heth really does like him, as Imrahil's gentle teasing about Brand's own crush on Heth (early in the story) then seems a bit hypocritical in a way. But maybe they've reached a sort of brotherhood over it, too.

I haven't quite decided that one yet.

2. Why does Heth sit "with enough force to almost slop cider from her mug" at the table with Imrahil and Brand? Was she simply startled by Imrahil's presence, or was she angry about something or trying to avoid him? Is it related to why Imrahil questioned her over who she thought was sitting with Brand? It seemed a bit tense for some reason (or maybe it's just me!), and they'd had such an easy relationship on the Foam-Flyer.

She was simply startled that he was there, and in such a state of undress...it's mostly the lack of clothing that rattled her. She's accustomed to seeing Imrahil in full feather as Prince-and he's not had her tending to him in any intimate way whatsoever over the last couple of years.

As long as he has his clothes on, she's fine.


3. How much time has Imrahil actually spent in Dol Amroth during the last two years?

He came back to judge the pirates, and he obviously returned to Minas Tirith for Faramir's wedding and probably stayed for a while. And he probably went back at least one other time for Council. But his original intention of staying completely away from Dol Amroth while Hethlin was training as a Swan Knight fell by the wayside.

4. Is the testing for the esquires going to happen before riding off to Dale?

Yes.

Isabeau
Posted:Apr 24, 2007 18:39 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [196] As long as he has his clothes on, she's fine.

Good point. I can see how Imrahil in a state of undress would fluster almost any breathing female. *g*

But his original intention of staying completely away from Dol Amroth while Hethlin was training as a Swan Knight fell by the wayside.

For political reasons? Or was it just that he found being so far apart from her was more painful than being near-but-distant?

Will the esquire testing be part of Passages? Or will we need to wait for Silver Swan to catch up? (Sorry about all the questions - can you tell I've been panting for more Hethlin stories?)

I had at first missed the allusion to Brand and Amrothos' friendship - or at least, that they were closer than Brand was to his warrior cousins, which surprised me. He and 'Rothos seem so different, at least at first glance. What brought them together?

Thanks for all your patient answers, Isabeau! I do appreciate that you can't and/or don't wish to answer all of them.

Denise
Posted:Apr 24, 2007 19:12 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [197] But his original intention of staying completely away from Dol Amroth while Hethlin was training as a Swan Knight fell by the wayside.

For political reasons? Or was it just that he found being so far apart from her was more painful than being near-but-distant?

I think it was more that when it came down to it, he found he was better able to endure being close to her than he had anticipated. And I also think Brand being there had at least a little to do with it.

Will the esquire testing be part of Passages? Or will we need to wait for Silver Swan to catch up? (Sorry about all the questions - can you tell I've been panting for more Hethlin stories?)

No. Really? :-) The esquire tests won't be covered in Passages-Heth's not the focus of that story. They'll be covered in Silver Swan if I ever get that far. And yes, I have thought about just going on with the War in Dale-that's where my head really is right now. But I'm resisting the temptation.

There will be an incident mentioned in Passages that is also covered to a greater extent, or at least from a different POV in Silver Swan. You'll know it when I get there.


Isabeau
Posted:Apr 24, 2007 23:09 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [198] And I also think Brand being there had at least a little to do with it.

Of course! I should have realized that Imrahil would be there as needed for Brand (and/or Andrahar), no matter how difficult it might be for him personally. Sorry - I'll try to remember that Arda doesn't revolve around Hethlin. :-/ It's just been so fun to get glimpses of her in Passages.

But I'm resisting the temptation.

*sigh* I understand.

There will be an incident mentioned in Passages that is also covered to a greater extent, or at least from a different POV in Silver Swan.

Why do I have a sudden, uneasy feeling that I will soon be wanting SS updates even more desperately... (And your comment "if I ever get that far" is, ah, not very reassuring, Isabeau!)

Denise
Posted:Apr 25, 2007 00:10 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [199] You know if I ever win the lottery I think I'll PAY you to write for a year, that way we can find out what happens. (problem is I don't even do the lottery)

If your muse is in Dale then go along with it, afterall we still like reading kinstrife even though we are way past that in some of the other stories and the fact that we know Imri married Nimrien doesn't stop us reading ultimatums.

Was the ficlet about C for B2mem part of Swan in Stone (loving the tittle)?

And what's happening to Brand, are you going with Una's view that Faramir was having a bad time of things right now? if so can he stay there?

Nargil
Posted:Apr 25, 2007 14:13 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [200] Re: earlier questions of mine. (Why did Aragorn want Hethlin to actually swear fealty to Imrahil? Other nobles send their sons for training in the Swan Knights, yes? Or are all those nobles actually in fealty to Imrahil anyway, and that is a firm requirement before anyone is allowed into the program?)

Never mind! I see Dwim has answered this handily in Reconciliation. One day, I will manage to cultivate patience. (Or maybe I do have it, but use it all up on my kids...)

Denise
Posted:May 6, 2007 15:30 GMT  Reply to this Comment
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