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Princes of Dol Amroth
February, 25 2006
Questions about the life and times of Imrahil and his family can be asked here, including questions about Ultimatums, Kin-Strife and the shorter stories. Discussions about Brand can go either here or in the Best-Loved Son thread, since his stories sort of overlap both cycles.
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 Isabeau wrote: he older sons were very much afraid that they would be disowned in favor of the slave-boy. It would have been difficult, but not impossible to do. And the oldest one had been born when Isfhandijar was sixteen or seventeen-he was beginning to think he'd not live to see dear old Dad pop off. So they killed two birds with one stone.
Talk about bastards! I was afraid that's what had happened. I guess Andrahar's mother was too naive to perceive the danger posed by her master's legitimate sons? Does Andrahar know that his brothers killed his father? It would be an interesting conundrum for such an honor-based society: how could a fatherless son avenge the death of his father at the hands of his acknowledged sons? And yet wouldn't there be some onus on him to do so, if he knew about his half-brothers' treachery?
Posted:Feb 28, 2006 09:54 GMT Reply to this Comment
 He killed one on the Pellanor, though I wonder what happened to his cousin from Kin-strife?
Intresting question though, he could suspect somthing but at the time there was nothing he could do and then he left Harad before he grew old enough to make a serious challenge.
Another question, if Fin was Imri's older sister how come she was not the heir I know it says in the appendixes that the kingship passed to the oldest child wether male or female or is it different in Dol-Amroth?
Posted:Feb 28, 2006 10:19 GMT Reply to this Comment
 I said: Connected to that, do you adopt her idea (from "The Excercise of Vital Powers") that the ladies of MT more or less conspired to get Thorongil out of the city and Finduilas kind of blackmailed him directly to his face to leave after his victory at Umbar?
Isabeau answered: That one I've not decided about yet. After I fill in some of that time in between, I'll decide.
From the little we have seen so far from your Finduilas, I'd say both is plausible. In Kin-Strife she seems more gentle than Soledad's Finduilas, but there she is younger, and not yet wed to the Steward's heir; and I think in Ultimatums she is already showing signs of illness, so no good basis to judge sternness of character.
Isabeau again:Andra won't be allowed to go with him. Gildor won't have Andra in Edhellond, and as matters turn out, Andra will be very busy elsewhere.
Argh! You terrible tease *g*! Reading this, I had the same idea as Nargil, that this would perhaps be the time where Andra gained his White Belt.
 Nargil wrote: When you said Imri got his ear pierced, I take it Andra was not there at the time, either that or he was as drunk as Imrahil , somehow it doesn't seem like the sort of thing he would condone. Do any of the others have piercings or tatoos?
I don't think Andrahar would care if Imri got an earring-the men of his culture wear a lot of jewelry that the Gondorians think of as womanish. I've not decided when it happened, though. Don't think Imri has it in Kin-strife, so it was probably sometime when he was captaining the Olwen.
As for the others...for some reason I can see Esteven having a tattoo or two somewhere about his person. He was a wild child. But they'd not be visible when he was in livery. Don't know about an earring for him. Possibly.
Liahan's carcass, on the other hand, is as pristine as when his mommy bore him.
Also when did Imrahil get his white belt, he said he had a hard time of it in the Silver Swan?
Not going to answer that one right now. But I think he's already had a few setbacks there, don't you?
Posted:Mar 1, 2006 06:46 GMT Reply to this Comment
 A leftover from the monster thread: Which ear does Imrahil have pierced?
Posted:Mar 1, 2006 15:30 GMT Reply to this Comment
 Isabeau, that is a wonderful new Ultimatums chapter! I was laughing so hard through it all - more later on that, though. It was just an irresistible sideline, as I actually came to TFF with a question in mind. I've been rereading parts of LotR and can't figure out: When does Imrahil first meet Gandalf? He seems to know him well before they connect in Minas Tirith in RotK. Did Tolkien ever say, and if not, when does it happen in your universe?
Posted:Mar 3, 2006 20:16 GMT Reply to this Comment
 Yay! I agree it's a wonderful addition to the story. I knew I liked Nimrien. She might not be a red-head but she reminds me, in spirit at least, of Katherine Hepburn. Witty and whip-smart and bold while remaining feminine all along. I'm so glad she was perceptive enough, and secure enough with herself, to understand that Andrahar is part of a package deal with Imrahil.
I had to advance my screen to read the final bit after she asks the two of them to escort her back to her room, and I must say my jaw dropped a bit wondering just where this was going! Much better the way it turned out.
Posted:Mar 3, 2006 22:18 GMT Reply to this Comment
 Rebecca wrote: I had to advance my screen to read the final bit after she asks the two of them to escort her back to her room, and I must say my jaw dropped a bit wondering just where this was going! Much better the way it turned out.
Rebecca! That idea never occurred to me. Now you got it stuck in my mind, darn it.
I agree with you - I love Nimrien's character. I love Imrahil's too, even in his rakish youth, but it is marvelous to see her confound him over and over again. “I have read The Garden of Love cover to cover, Imri." LOL! I have to wonder when he's going to catch on and stop being so astonished by her revelations. Been spending the last 15 years around too many courtesans and regular court ladies, Imri has.
It's easy to see how Imrahil and Nimrien grew so close, and why he considered theirs to be a legendary love. After baring the fact that he and Andra had been lovers and still getting her acceptance, they must have kept no secrets from each other. And I can definitely see Andra and Nimrien continuing to gang up on Imrahil like they sort of did tonight. Hah! And how wonderful that she can accept Andra and be friends, even to being considerate of his feelings for Imrahil. She is so classy...
Is Ultimatums going to continue on through Finduilas' stay in Dol Amroth and Imrahil & Nimrien's wedding? I'm very curious as to whether Nimrien, perceptive as she is, ever notices anything worrisome in Finduilas' behavior (per Nimrien's conversation with Imrahil about it when on the road to Pelargir). I mean, Finduilas is dead in less than two years.
Posted:Mar 3, 2006 22:38 GMT Reply to this Comment
 Denise asked: A leftover from the monster thread: Which ear does Imrahil have pierced?
About time I answered this. The left one.
Posted:Mar 4, 2006 10:26 GMT Reply to this Comment
 Denise wrote: Isabeau, that is a wonderful new Ultimatums chapter! I was laughing so hard through it all - more later on that, though. It was just an irresistible sideline, as I actually came to TFF with a question in mind. I've been rereading parts of LotR and can't figure out: When does Imrahil first meet Gandalf? He seems to know him well before they connect in Minas Tirith in RotK. Did Tolkien ever say, and if not, when does it happen in your universe?
I can't think of where Tolkien ever said one way or another. And I honestly never gave it a moment's thought until you asked about it. Now there's this little grey-clad nuzgul dancing around my ankles. Thanks ever so much....;-)
Posted:Mar 4, 2006 10:32 GMT Reply to this Comment
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