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Princes of Dol Amroth

By:Isabeau
 February, 25 2006

Questions about the life and times of Imrahil and his family can be asked here, including questions about Ultimatums, Kin-Strife and the shorter stories. Discussions about Brand can go either here or in the Best-Loved Son thread, since his stories sort of overlap both cycles.


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 [181] Basically Aragorn "solved" the problem of Hethlin not by taking her under his own wing, nor by making sure her maternal kin stepped up to their responsibility, but by foisting Hethlin off onto Dol Amroth -- even though Aragorn knew about Imrahil's feelings for Hethlin!

IIRC, Aragorn only learned of Imrahil's feelings after she had become a part of the Dol Amroth household. There was the public declaration in CMC and then Imrahil went privately to Aragorn to say that there might be a problem with that, well, because...

But since the Andrahar who has developed since DAY was written is pretty reflective and self-aware I just have a hard time reconciling him with the Andrahar who punched Hethlin in the face.

I agree with you there, but I think it also shows in a very poignant way the flaws, or the human limitations of him. I admit I was really, really grateful when Andra confessed to Brand in "Reparation" that he did in fact act very wrong and then went public with his confession. This was a very needful resolution to this plot thread, I find.

Isabeau, I understand what you mean about eventually toning it down. As it stands on it's own in DAY, it truly seems a bit harsh. But, I think with the context of the other stories, and especially you want to embedd DAY in the larger context of Silver Swan, I think the "problem" will even itself out sufficiently.

Imhiriel
Posted:Apr 6, 2007 15:10 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [182] I think that was the order of events, re: Imrahil's feelings for Hethlin. Aragorn had her swear into Imrahil's service, then came the fateful trip to Lorien, followed by that hot kiss... Aragorn did know about Hethlin's feelings for Faramir when he swore her to Dol Amroth, right? (Or am I confused?) I don't remember if that was ever stated as a reason he was shipping her away from Minas Tirith/Ithilien, or if it was only speculation on Hethlin's part.

I like your points, Rebecca - I'd not thought about it before in terms of "foisting," although I've always looked askance at the way Aragorn has dealt with Hethlin, especially initially. It makes me wonder what (if anything) he is used to, when it comes to dealing with Northern Dunedain women.

It did bring to mind a another question (sorry!): Why did Aragorn want Hethlin to actually swear fealty to Imrahil? Other nobles send their sons for training in the Swan Knights, yes? Or are all those nobles actually in fealty to Imrahil anyway, and that is a firm requirement before anyone is allowed into the program?

Denise
Posted:Apr 6, 2007 17:12 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [183] Oh how nice to be chatting with Isabeau, Denise, Imhiriel & Nargil again! :-)

It's been a while actually since I've read CMC or Silver Swan, and I see that some of the details have become blurred in my mind. Yes, of course, Aragorn had Hethlin swear fealty to Imrahil before the trip... duh.

And I agree overall with Imhiriel that, however it's incorporated, when DAY is actually joined to the other parts of Hethlin's story (and Andrahar's), it'll all make sense.

Rebecca
Posted:Apr 6, 2007 18:27 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [184] I think that was the order of events, re: Imrahil's feelings for Hethlin. Aragorn had her swear into Imrahil's service, then came the fateful trip to Lorien, followed by that hot kiss... Aragorn did know about Hethlin's feelings for Faramir when he swore her to Dol Amroth, right? (Or am I confused?) I don't remember if that was ever stated as a reason he was shipping her away from Minas Tirith/Ithilien, or if it was only speculation on Hethlin's part.

I like your points, Rebecca - I'd not thought about it before in terms of "foisting," although I've always looked askance at the way Aragorn has dealt with Hethlin, especially initially. It makes me wonder what (if anything) he is used to, when it comes to dealing with Northern Dunedain women.

It did bring to mind a another question (sorry!): Why did Aragorn want Hethlin to actually swear fealty to Imrahil? Other nobles send their sons for training in the Swan Knights, yes? Or are all those nobles actually in fealty to Imrahil anyway, and that is a firm requirement before anyone is allowed into the program?

Denise
Posted:Apr 6, 2007 18:31 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [185] Uh, I must apologize - I'm not sure why my post came up a second time, and so much later at that...

(Although I will take the opportunity to say that I agree with Rebecca on that point, too: It is always nice to chat about Hethlin, etc. with this group!)

Denise
Posted:Apr 6, 2007 18:34 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [186] This is quite off-topic, apologies in advance, but are you guys registered on the TFF forums here? The Yahoo list can be hard to follow, which is why I don't usually try to participate in the discussions, but the forums here look more user-friendly. Right now it seems to be very quiet in the TFF forums (I registered a while ago, but haven't posted). My member name is Gwdhiel.

Sorry for off-topic post, Isabeau!

Rebecca
Posted:Apr 7, 2007 09:21 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [187] It's more than OK, Rebecca. I know that Mike would be overjoyed if people started using the forums, so I encourage folks to go over and register. Would you all prefer to continue our discussions there? We can if you all want to.

Isabeau
Posted:Apr 7, 2007 09:56 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [188] I don't know, Isabeau. I do think there's a benefit to discussing your stories here, in your journal/forum/whachamacallit -- the topics are focused and it's easy for newcomers who have just discovered your (totally awesome!) stories to follow the discussions (with the notable exception of the Monster Thread).

So maybe it's good to keep things in your journal? On the other hand, we could have threads that are similarly dedicated to various aspects of your stories, and we'd then be in a "space" where it would be easy to jump over to other topics without being off-topic. Really your call -- what would you prefer?

But it would be nice to chat a bit with everyone -- I really like all the folks I've encountered while discussing Isabeau's stories.

Rebecca
Posted:Apr 7, 2007 10:12 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [189] I guess that not everyone knows about the TFF forums: http://www.tolkienfanfiction.com/forum_index.php

Rebecca
Posted:Apr 13, 2007 21:25 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [190] We had a forum once on here but it wasn't used much, I like these better, for the forums you would have to register and that would put some folks off where as here you can just post. (Also logging in is a pain if you are at work or college)Also these are on the front page of the site so you can see if there are new comments easily.

More on topic, is it ok to ask questions about passages now (I know we said we wouldn't at the time) ?

Nargil
Posted:Apr 14, 2007 09:05 GMT  Reply to this Comment
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