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Princes of Dol Amroth

By:Isabeau
 February, 25 2006

Questions about the life and times of Imrahil and his family can be asked here, including questions about Ultimatums, Kin-Strife and the shorter stories. Discussions about Brand can go either here or in the Best-Loved Son thread, since his stories sort of overlap both cycles.


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 [121] Isabeau said:

Since Brand is not a lord of a major region, he's probably one of a bunch that Aragorn could have chosen from. It's actually probably merit/birth in his case rather than merit/land.

I think a pool of possible candidates for a few of the seats is very plausible, and to choose Brand, especially if he has earned it, seems reasonable.

I contemplated at one point having Brand end up with Starfall, the Numenorean blade, but I'm thinking that Andrahar might petition Imri to give that to Liahan, whose family is well-pedigreed but not well-moneyed. He's a swordsman worthy of a blade like that.

I have a soft spot for Liahan (starting with his name ;)), and I'm glad to know he is so well regarded. Actually, if I may state a wish for a future story: You have given Lorend his story, do you have any plans for writing one for Liahan?

And strangely enough, the mysterious Elven blade ends up with Erchirion. And saves his bacon on a voyage that I might end up writing closer to Halloween.

I know it's silly of me, but somehow I have problems seeing Erchirion as a swordsman. He must have sufficient skills, sea battles are not always fought over distances, what with boarding etc., but I have this impression of him that he is not especially coordinated, and I'm very curious for this story that will correct that impression...

Elphir will in the long run, suffer a bit from being a pale imitation of a very extraordinary man. Though he's never a whiny jerk like Daerlath, even on his worse day.

Yes. Elphir is a perfectly fine man of his own, and he has inherited most of his parents' considerable skills and qualities. What he doesn't have is Imrahil's flamboyance and his "pirate streak".

Imhiriel
Posted:May 30, 2006 14:02 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [122] More things I forgot to mention in my review (that happens if I don't give myself, as I usually do, time for re-reading and reflection before sending it off *sigh*):

I love Imrahil's absolute faith about his fate after death, and that Arwen doubts a little - foreshadows one of her low points in the Tale of A & A.

I had to grin how neatly you circumvented any further elaboration on "your" family and "our" family. But I did wonder when Imrahil only mentioned one grandson. I assume he was speaking about Alphros, but what about Elfwine?

What's this about the mention of Dale in the context of fighting? Is this one of Heth's future adventures? Perhaps even one of Faramir's or her visions?

Do you plan to publish "In All But Blood" as a separate story here on TFF some time?

One mistake I noticed: "we could have stayed home by our hearths with no one thinking the worst of us." It should say "worse", I think.

Imhiriel
Posted:May 30, 2006 14:04 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [123] Isabeau wrote: I contemplated at one point having Brand end up with Starfall, the Numenorean blade, but I'm thinking that Andrahar might petition Imri to give that to Liahan, whose family is well-pedigreed but not well-moneyed. He's a swordsman worthy of a blade like that.

Imrhiriel wrote: I have a soft spot for Liahan (starting with his name ;)), and I'm glad to know he is so well regarded. Actually, if I may state a wish for a future story: You have given Lorend his story, do you have any plans for writing one for Liahan?

Not at present. That doesn't mean that it won't happen at some point in the future. But Liahan's very quiet and hasn't spoken to me yet.

And strangely enough, the mysterious Elven blade ends up with Erchirion. And saves his bacon on a voyage that I might end up writing closer to Halloween.

I know it's silly of me, but somehow I have problems seeing Erchirion as a swordsman. He must have sufficient skills, sea battles are not always fought over distances, what with boarding etc., but I have this impression of him that he is not especially coordinated, and I'm very curious for this story that will correct that impression...

He's not that good a swordsman. He likes that blade because it's light and easy to handle in close quarters. Good for carrying between your teeth while boarding, don't you know....;-)


Posted:May 30, 2006 21:40 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [124] I like the idea that Brand gets Nightshade, a little bit of Andra will always live on with that blade to bury it would be evil. I think probably with a Swan knights sword, I always wondered if Andra would have had Starfall as well, if swords are the prize for saving princes he deserves both, He could have left Starfall to Liahan and Nightshade to Brand.

Along the same lines, Do Liahan and Esteven take over from Andra when he's gone? also does brand stay with the Swan knights as a captain or is he more a Lord of Gondor?

I like the idea of Andra swearing loyalty to Aragorn, he finnaly made his peace with Gondor. Also it shows his love for Brand, the idea that he has a son, is wonderful.

As for Elphir being a pale immitation of Imrahil, I always got the picture that Elphir and Erchirion made up Imrahil, Elphir as the prince and leader and Erchirion as the younger Imri who sailed the high seas and supported Dol-Amroth's brothels single handedly. In the same way Lothiriel and Amrothos are like Nimrien the princess and the scholar.

Was Imri still grieving for Andra all this time? he seems lost without him, and without Andra at the tailors his sense for the flamboyant has exploded.

Yet another wonderful fic though, is it just one chapter? I can never tell, I thought kin-strife would end after chapter 3 so I'm no good at guessing.

Nargil
Posted:Jun 1, 2006 15:53 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [125] Nargil: ...and without Andra at the tailors his sense for the flamboyant has exploded.

Lol! That's a great line, Nargil. Probably the one thing Andra will NOT miss...

Denise
Posted:Jun 1, 2006 20:05 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [126] In fact, I can see Andra visiting Imrahil in a dream just to say, "Hey Imri, on this side everyone wears ONLY WHITE GOWNS." :)

Denise
Posted:Jun 1, 2006 22:48 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [127] Ah, but are they coton or linnen or silk, and what about the embroideries? tabby weave or twill, Imri could still keep himself busy, and somehow I can't see Andra in a dress, he would have to invent breaches.

Nargil
Posted:Jun 2, 2006 06:51 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [128] ...Imri could still keep himself busy...

Ha, how true! The image in my mind was Andrahar holding up a standard issue, plain one-size-fits-all variety of robe, and the look of horror on Imrahil's face. But that would really be hell for Imri, instead of heaven.

Have to agree on Andrahar - we never do see him wear robes or the equivalent, do we? Too hard to fight in. I have to wonder what the afterlife would hold for him that would bring him true peace/bliss (besides Boromir). Sort of like Elrohir in Valinor, the stereotyped concept of heaven/afterlife would seem to bore Andrahar to tears.

Denise
Posted:Jun 2, 2006 13:23 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [129] I dunno, if we go for the version where anybody who died in the past is also there then he can spend his days fighting duels and learning new fighting styles and riding, eat all his favourite food and spend his nights with Boromir.

Although even that doesn't seem quite right somehow

Nargil
Posted:Jun 4, 2006 15:19 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [130] Nargil said:

As for Elphir being a pale immitation of Imrahil, I always got the picture that Elphir and Erchirion made up Imrahil, Elphir as the prince and leader and Erchirion as the younger Imri who sailed the high seas and supported Dol-Amroth's brothels single handedly. In the same way Lothiriel and Amrothos are like Nimrien the princess and the scholar.

I very much like this assessment, Nargil, and it seems very apt. Question for Isabeau: Was this in fact in your mind, did you consciously "split up and distribute" the character traits of the parents to the children?

Imhiriel

...very entertained by the discussion about fashions in heaven...


Posted:Jun 5, 2006 16:31 GMT  Reply to this Comment

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