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Princes of Dol Amroth

By:Isabeau
 February, 25 2006

Questions about the life and times of Imrahil and his family can be asked here, including questions about Ultimatums, Kin-Strife and the shorter stories. Discussions about Brand can go either here or in the Best-Loved Son thread, since his stories sort of overlap both cycles.


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 [1] In Soledad's universe, Lady Tirathiel and Denethor were very close and even thought about marrying before Nimrien's parents died. Is this part of your universe as well?

Connected to that, do you adopt her idea (from "The Excercise of Vital Powers") that the ladies of MT more or less conspired to get Thorongil out of the city and Finduilas kind of blackmailed him directly to his face to leave after his victory at Umbar?

Imhiriel
Posted:Feb 25, 2006 17:54 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [2] Isabeau said: None of them had what Imrahil had, which was a couple of months there when his dreaming gift was out of whack.

Will this be part of kin-strife or is it somthing else, also did Andra go with him or do you go with Soledad's version in sea-side conversations 2?

Also do any of Imrahil's children have the dreams, you said Brand does so will he or Faramir ever have the same problem with things going wrong?

Nargil
Posted:Feb 25, 2006 19:01 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [3] the ladies of MT more or less conspired to get Thorongil out of the city and Finduilas kind of blackmailed him directly to his face to leave after his victory at Umbar?

I like that idea; it makes Finduilas more multi-dimensional and not just a down-trodden and homesick weakling. The thought that Boromir and Faramir were the products of a loveless marriage is unappealing. I much prefer the thought that Finduilas was strongly in love with, and active in her support of, her difficult husband. It also makes her end a bit more believable -- if she hadn't been so staunchly committed to Denethor in the years before things started to go bad, perhaps she would have left, at least with Faramir (to protect him as much as herself).

Rebecca
Posted:Feb 25, 2006 19:03 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [4] Continuing with Edhellond questions, Isabeau, in Kin Strife Andrahar already dislikes Lord Gildor, apparently out of jealousy because, as I think he put it, Imrahil "burned hot" for him at one point. How did Andrahar come to have this knowledge -- and was it in fact a crush that Imrahil had on Gildor, or was it more of a schoolboy enthusiasm or hero-worship that, to lovelorn Andrahar, looked like love, or at least lust?

Thanks!

Rebecca
Posted:Feb 25, 2006 22:31 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [5] Was thinking again about Andrahar's family, and remembered a question I've had for a while: was his father actually poisoned? I think I recall that upon his father's death his mother was falsely accused of poisoning him and was killed on the spot. Was this an opportunistic move by his legitimate half-brothers, taking advantage of their father's death by natural causes to accuse his hated concubine? If Andra's father really was poisoned, do you think his own legitimate sons did it, before he could further favor Andrahar?

Rebecca
Posted:Feb 25, 2006 22:37 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [6] Imhiriel wrote: In Soledad's universe, Lady Tirathiel and Denethor were very close and even thought about marrying before Nimrien's parents died. Is this part of your universe as well?

A definite yes to this one.

Connected to that, do you adopt her idea (from "The Excercise of Vital Powers") that the ladies of MT more or less conspired to get Thorongil out of the city and Finduilas kind of blackmailed him directly to his face to leave after his victory at Umbar?

That one I've not decided about yet. After I fill in some of that time in between, I'll decide.

Isabeau
Posted:Feb 26, 2006 20:41 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [7] Nargil wrote: Isabeau said: None of them had what Imrahil had, which was a couple of months there when his dreaming gift was out of whack.

Will this be part of kin-strife or is it somthing else, also did Andra go with him or do you go with Soledad's version in sea-side conversations 2?

This will be part of Kin-strife, and no, Andra won't be allowed to go with him. Gildor won't have Andra in Edhellond, and as matters turn out, Andra will be very busy elsewhere.

Also do any of Imrahil's children have the dreams, you said Brand does so will he or Faramir ever have the same problem with things going wrong?

Elphir has the gift, Erchirion doesn't. If 'Rothos did, he'd just ignore it, but I don't think he does-his mind is too literal and rational. Haven't decided about 'Thiri. It might be fun if she did-no reason the boys should have all the fun.

Faramir's gift seems to be pretty strong, but he's never indulged in Haradrim pharmaceuticals, so I think he's OK. As for Brand, Andrahar would kick his arse all around the castle if he tried Hekadior anything else. Let's hope he doesn't have any trouble-by the time Brand comes around, a lot of the people who could help him are leaving Middle-earth.



Posted:Feb 26, 2006 21:05 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [8] Rebecca wrote: Continuing with Edhellond questions, Isabeau, in Kin Strife Andrahar already dislikes Lord Gildor, apparently out of jealousy because, as I think he put it, Imrahil "burned hot" for him at one point. How did Andrahar come to have this knowledge -- and was it in fact a crush that Imrahil had on Gildor, or was it more of a schoolboy enthusiasm or hero-worship that, to lovelorn Andrahar, looked like love, or at least lust?

I suspect Imrahil probably discussed it with Andra at some point, perhaps seeking Andrahar's expertise on the question of male attraction.

Isabeau
Posted:Feb 26, 2006 21:11 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [9] Rebecca wrote: Was thinking again about Andrahar's family, and remembered a question I've had for a while: was his father actually poisoned?

Yes.

I think I recall that upon his father's death his mother was falsely accused of poisoning him and was killed on the spot. Was this an opportunistic move by his legitimate half-brothers, taking advantage of their father's death by natural causes to accuse his hated concubine? If Andra's father really was poisoned, do you think his own legitimate sons did it, before he could further favor Andrahar?

Got it in one. Isfhandijar didn't do his bastard son any favors by favoring him so flagrantly. The older sons were very much afraid that they would be disowned in favor of the slave-boy. It would have been difficult, but not impossible to do. And the oldest one had been born when Isfhandijar was sixteen or seventeen-he was beginning to think he'd not live to see dear old Dad pop off. So they killed two birds with one stone.

Isabeau
Posted:Feb 27, 2006 22:26 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [10] Isabeau: Andra won't be allowed to go with him. Gildor won't have Andra in Edhellond, and as matters turn out, Andra will be very busy elsewhere.

Trying to decide if that is a good thing, Maybe Andra will finally get his white belt.

When you said Imri got his ear pierced, I take it Andra was not there at the time, either that or he was as drunk as Imrahil , somehow it doesn't seem like the sort of thing he would condone. Do any of the others have piercings or tatoos?

Also when did Imrahil get his white belt, he said he had a hard time of it in the Silver Swan?

Nargil
Posted:Feb 28, 2006 06:32 GMT  Reply to this Comment
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