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By:Isabeau
 November, 12 2005

OK, folks-this is the general forum now for questions that don't seem to fit in any of the other threads. I'm going to sort some of the earlier posts into the appropriate forums, but it might take a while, so bear with me. I'll delete the ones that have already been reposted by their authors.


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 [381] Sitting here in Cambridge MA, watching Ted Kennedy's funeral on television, a thought that I'd had inklings of in the past came into fullness just now, Isabeau. Your depiction of Imrahil reminds me in some ways of Ted Kennedy. Not all ways -- but the political savviness, understanding of human nature based in part on humble acceptance of his own human weaknesses and failings, devotion to family including nephews who lost their mother, love of sailing, charm & wit.

I'm not one to follow the lives of celebrities and I tend to dislike maudlin public spectacles and people who imagine a connection to a well-known public figure, but felt compelled to watch the funeral. It was really moving. And funny that I thought of Imrahil ...

Gwidhiel
Posted:Aug 29, 2009 13:11 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [382] That's really interesting. I had never made the connection until you mentioned it. I've been mulling over Imrahil's death over the last couple of weeks as well, which is sort of creepily coincidental if you think about it.

Isabeau
Posted:Aug 29, 2009 23:28 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [383] That *is* a rather creepy coincidence. I would hate to see Imrahil go via brain cancer. But otherwise the more I think about it the more parallels I see: high-spirited privileged youth of uncertain talent who dallied a bit before buckling down and coming into his own. Both lost wives while their children were still quite young (TK's first wife is a chronic alcoholic and although she's still alive was a shadowy, impotent parent from the sound of it), both tend(ed) to overindulge in alcohol as an escape, both adamantly loyal to those who loyally work for them.

Of course Imrahil would never have abandoned a young woman, whether or not he could save her, as TK did in Chappaquiddick. Some of TK's behavior is beyond what Imrahil at his most drunk and self-destructive would have committed, I think. But yeah, the more I think about it ... funny, huh!

Gwidhiel
Posted:Aug 30, 2009 00:03 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [384] Hmmmm, interesting... Never would have thought of it, but now that you mention it, I do see some of the parallels. Although I think one big point of difference is that Imrahil was the golden shining heir and thus always assured of the attention and privilege and expectations that come with it, which is what made him rebel. Whereas in Kennedy's case it was the opposite in that he was the "runt of the litter", and seems thus to have come last in what was expected of him - and what he expected from himself.

But both grew into their potential with some painful wake-up calls and finally gracefully accepted their roles and made the best of them, as Gwidhiel said.

Another important parallel I would add is the whole concept of "noblesse oblige" and "to whom much is given, much is expected".

Gwidhiel, your mention of sailing reminds me: I watched some excerpts of the moving and funny wake from Friday on the 'net, and there was a hilarious story told by one of Kennedy's friends (I don't know him, but he was from Iowa, I think he was a former politician?) about how Kennedy once talked him into a sailing trip that turned out to be rather unpleasant for a landrat - it makes me think of "Just a Bit of Chop" *g*.

God, I would hope Imrahil is spared having to die from a long, painful illnes! Isabeau, you can't do that to him (and to us readers *g*) and his children, who have already lost their mother that way! If I can only a little influence your creative impulses (I'm sending virtual home-baked German cookies), this would be my wish: I want him to die when his (semi-)canoncial time is come in F.A. 34 sound of body and mind, peaceful, surrounded by his loved ones (*coughsecondwifeHethlincough*). And visited perhaps by some ghosts like Boromir and/or Andra?

Imhiriel
Posted:Aug 30, 2009 00:55 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [385] I want him to die when his (semi-)canonical time is come in F.A. 34 sound of body and mind, peaceful, surrounded by his loved ones (*coughsecondwifeHethlincough*).

YEAH! What Imhiriel said!

I mean, by the time he dies, you have already killed off Andrahar (which vignette still makes me cry every time I read it)... please don't make him suffer at his death, too!

- Barbara, imagining the heady aroma of Imhiriel's home-baked cookies

Elena Tiriel
Posted:Aug 30, 2009 05:25 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [386] That *is* a rather creepy coincidence. I would hate to see Imrahil go via brain cancer. But otherwise the more I think about it the more parallels I see: high-spirited privileged youth of uncertain talent who dallied a bit before buckling down and coming into his own. Both lost wives while their children were still quite young (TK's first wife is a chronic alcoholic and although she's still alive was a shadowy, impotent parent from the sound of it), both tend(ed) to overindulge in alcohol as an escape, both adamantly loyal to those who loyally work for them.

Of course Imrahil would never have abandoned a young woman, whether or not he could save her, as TK did in Chappaquiddick. Some of TK's behavior is beyond what Imrahil at his most drunk and self-destructive would have committed, I think. But yeah, the more I think about it ... funny, huh!

Gwidhiel
Posted:Aug 30, 2009 05:43 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [387] Weird, how on earth did I end up posting the same thing twice, with a 5 hour gap and others' posts in between. Error on my end, to be sure. Sorry!

Gwidhiel
Posted:Aug 30, 2009 14:21 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [388] Gosh guys, you don't want much, do you? I can guarantee Imri doesn't die of brain cancer. I am so tempted to go ahead and write this story and put it up despite the fact that it would finally answer once and for the choices Heth made. It is totally burning a hole in my brain, but I have to wonder if it would kill my muse or take some of the heat off. I really don't know which would happen. If you all knew the ending, would you be interested in sticking around for the rest of it, and all that...

On the plus side, there's some stuff floating around that could be posted once I settled the issue once and for all.


Isabeau
Posted:Aug 30, 2009 16:43 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [389] Weird, how on earth did I end up posting the same thing twice, with a 5 hour gap and others' posts in between. Error on my end, to be sure. Sorry!

Not a problem. I'm not sure it was on your end-might have been a glitch of some sort. I could wave the admin magic wand and get rid of it, but I think I'll pass. Doesn't bother me.

Isabeau
Posted:Aug 30, 2009 16:46 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [390] Hi Isabeau,

Ha, Isabeau, I think you can pretty easily guess the chorus of "yes PLEEEASSE's" that are headed your way in response to the question of whether or not you should write and publish the story you're contemplating.

I've been following you with interest for years now, and although mine is the minority opinion about Hethlin's choice (and my sense is that my intuition has been off-base, no matter how strongly I feel it!)I think that anyone who enjoys your stories will continue to look forward to them eagerly. To be honest, as much as I like Imrhail & co. I find them less interesting & less compelling than I do Elrohir, both as a concept in Tolkien's world, and as the savvy, nuanced character you've sketched for us in Captain My Captain. Assuming that my intuition of who Heth will end up with is incorrect, I will still be reading with interest even if her story stays largely in Gondor with only occasional forays to the North. I might find Elrohir more compelling than Imrahil, but that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy reading about the latter!

And I can't help but wonder if your muse might be freed from the burden of having to write around The Big Secret ... ? Just a thought! :)

Gwidhiel
Posted:Aug 30, 2009 18:00 GMT  Reply to this Comment
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