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By:Isabeau
 November, 12 2005

OK, folks-this is the general forum now for questions that don't seem to fit in any of the other threads. I'm going to sort some of the earlier posts into the appropriate forums, but it might take a while, so bear with me. I'll delete the ones that have already been reposted by their authors.


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 [101] Can't remember if I put it in the timeline or not, but for a long time I was adamant that it wasn't part of the Hethverse. Now I'm not so sure. It is a piece I'm rather fond of.

Oh, I think it's there in the Hethverse... isn't it? Isn't there always going to be some tension between Eomer and Elladan?

When I was reading the bit about how Eomer had lain with a couple of women who were skilled with their tongues, but nothing compared to Elladan, I wondered how Lothiriel will measure up. Of course, being a beautiful, charming woman can compensate for a host of minor shortcomings.

Rebecca
Posted:Jan 24, 2006 08:44 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [102] I'm contemplating (actually have outlined)a story about Brand finding out that Boromir was Andrahar's lover. Brand doesn't take the news particularly well because he's totally straight.

I hope your contemplations are soon posted, and as for Brand not taking the news well, Boromir was totally straight for a long time as well. How old will Brand be in this one? and please don't upset Andra again, although given the subject it is a bit unavoidable.

Also after your comments about Esteven's Father's restraunt will Andra ever get some nice food? and are we talking about Indian or Chineese or somthing else entirley?

In Dol-Amroth yule where was Andra when Velda pulls the knife? he cant have had the same vantage point as Heth, or was he trying to convince Brand that eating Sprouts won't kill him?

I think you should persaude Altariel to post the story, we could leave our e-mails in the posts where you would be the only one to see them and then you could send it to those who want it.

Nargil
Posted:Jan 24, 2006 11:46 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [103] Doesn't "Stud Fee" fall on the same night that Heth makes that inappropriate "evidence" joke to Imrahil? I'm with Rebecca - I think it could easily fit in the Hethverse.

As much as I desperately want the new story, I don't think it would be fair to Isabeau either. It's just too hard to keep something like that quiet among avid fans, I think. Is the story in question "Sensibility"? If so, at least there's some (very very minor) consolation in that it's not all that far off in the timeline sense of things.

dpetrash
Posted:Jan 24, 2006 14:10 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [104] Doesn't "Stud Fee" fall on the same night that Heth makes that inappropriate "evidence" joke to Imrahil?

I think that's right... and the next day, after discovering that Eomer had him riding on the sedate mare designated for older ladies to ride up the hill, Imrahil declared to Hethlin that, "I must think of something..... truly special for Eomer, as a gift in payment for all his hospitality. Perhaps I should consult with the sons of Elrond.

Heh, heh, looks like Elladan anticipated him! Does Eomer credit that after a most unusual night and just three hours of sleep he was up inspecting the herds and consulting with Imrahil about the purchase of Lothiriel's horse. Certainly didn't diminish his manhood!

Rebecca
Posted:Jan 24, 2006 14:38 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [105] Oh how my mind wanders when I'm looking at pages of scatterplots and correlation tables and puzzled about what to do next with my data ...

I'm really intrigued by the Peredhil twins. Have been since I first read CMC, and now that I've got a clearer picture of Elladan in my mind I can't help but wonder what his relationship with Elrohir is really like. Not *that* way -- slash is fine, but I get squicked out by incest of any sort. I'm thinking about how Aragorn warned Hethlin that there was rarely mischief on the part of one that the other hadn't had a hand in. And it seems like Elrohir is often the primary instigator, or front man at least, with Elladan in the background, although obviously not in all things. It's funny, in CMC when Elladan come on to Eomer after the latter had been rather blatantly hitting on Heth, I thought it was just to help Elrohir tweak Eomer. I'm glad see that his motive went beyond subtle retaliation on his brother's behalf. Elladan's his own man, er, elf, pursuing his own goals. Pursuing one's own goals is important to me, if you all hadn't noticed already ;).

So we know that Elrohir is not convinced about going to Valinor. And there's the apparent fear that Elladan will go along with his brother in whatever choice he makes. Which again, on some level, overlooks the self-determination of a Peredhil (earlier we discussed Arwen, but now there's Elladan). I guess what I'm wondering is whether Elladan might also have his own, independent reservations about Valinor. But being sharp & subtle, perhaps Elladan sees that it's better to let his more impetuous twin do the fighting with Elrond on that subject. That way he can do what he wants without having to deal with the trouble that Elrohir seems to invite at every turn. If that's the case, perhaps in some ways Elladan knows himself a bit better than Elrohir knows himself. I kind of get the sense that he does, although maybe I'm off-base there.

From what Isabeau has written I don't have as clear a sense about what Elladan wants on that front as I do with Elrohir. Maybe Elladan could be happy in Valinor. But his slight preference for mortal men as lovers is interesting. Possibly indicative of nothing other than a taste for the exotic ... or something. But it makes me wonder. I know that the twins really aren't the focus of Isabeau's story, and my interest in them is slightly peculiar, although I never really gave them a second thought until I read CMC. Weird!

Rebecca
Posted:Jan 24, 2006 15:06 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [106] Of course, as soon as Rebecca quoted that piece from CMC I had to go back and reread that chapter, and found the following said by Eomer, after they had looked at Heth's new filly:

I have to go see about a late breeding, and there are some other matters that require my attention this day. Ill see you this evening, if not before--and we are having a farewell feast tonight! His face, which had darkened somewhat when speaking of his work, brightened considerably as he spoke of the feast, and he smiled another of his brilliant smiles and left us.

OK, it's official. "Stud Fee" is now in the background of the Unabeauverse, as far as I'm concerned. It all fits too neatly, intended or otherwise!

dpetrash
Posted:Jan 24, 2006 16:10 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [107] I have to go see about a late breeding, and there are some other matters that require my attention this day... His face, which had darkened somewhat when speaking of his work...

Oh well-spotted! And now that I've read Stud Fee, that's definitely what I think he must be referring to ... funny, before I read SF I figured the above was something to do with the legacy of Wormtongue or Saruman, or something like that. Now I'm convinced that Eomer is thinking of Elladan, and hoping that Nimfaun & Lightfoot will make it all worthwhile (since he'll never be able to admit to himself that it was worthwhile in and of itself!).

Oh the funny spin-offs that could come of that. Although the most likely thing seems to me that it will be a one-off, never to be repeated. If anything Eomer might either conveniently forget it ever happened, or develop a latent hostility towards Elladan, to get rid of that cognitive dissonance!

NB: I'm not suggesting another story topic Isabeau! Although it could be a funny little subplot that never comes fully into focus, and is noticed and understood only by those who have read Stud Fee. It really was a brilliant one-off, and I'm glad that Soledad convinced you to share it (and that I found the courage to read it).

Rebecca
Posted:Jan 24, 2006 16:40 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [108] I only spotted that quote after I read SF as well, personnally I already thought it was Heth-verse, and then Visions is a tie in between the Boromir/ Andrahar stuff and Heth-verse so is discovery, I think saying the whole thing is in the Unabeau verse is easier.

Why is Andra scared of hieghts, Soledad mentions in Pawns and Symbols that he is, was there a specific reason or is it just somthing he was born with?

Also was it Andra who taught Boromir that bit of a poem mentioned in the Silver Swan?

Last one, What is the "retched stuff" Imrahil writes about in the book of poetry in Trust?

Nargil
Posted:Jan 24, 2006 16:59 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [109] Hi all, And thank you for being so enthusiastic about the possibility of reading 'Sensibility'! But I think I'm going to have to be cruel and wait until the story catches up before I post it. It's been hanging around on my hard drive so long now that it seems a shame not to wait now till Isabeau has caught up. Hope that won't make me too unpopular!

Altariel
Posted:Jan 25, 2006 10:07 GMT  Reply to this Comment


 [110] Hi all, And thank you for being so enthusiastic about the possibility of reading 'Sensibility'! But I think I'm going to have to be cruel and wait until the story catches up before I post it. It's been hanging around on my hard drive so long now that it seems a shame not to wait now till Isabeau has caught up. Hope that won't make me too unpopular!

Not at all! I don't think allowing Isabeau to take her story at her own pace and on its own course is needlessly coy, or unfair to readers -- no matter how impatient some of us (me!) are to have Certain Issues resolved.

Although knowing that the choice has already been made, I suppose discussions about Whom Hethlin Should Choose are rather moot.

I'm always eager for a new little nugget of creative beauty to lighten my somewhat dull daily life. Since I just picked up the new Cat Power cd, I'm able to keep from chomping at the bit for more Silver Swan. At least until next week, I should think. I hope we're not eating up Isabeau's free time & energy that could be devoted to writing with our questions... I think we can all agree that the sooner Hethlin's story catches up to Sensibility, the better!

Rebecca
Posted:Jan 25, 2006 11:00 GMT  Reply to this Comment
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